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When in Rome do as the Romans do
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- dreamer
- 2004/06/20 22:37
Hello,
Los Angeles is multi-ethnic society, and different people from all over the world getting together, and trying to live in harmony. However, when you get to work, there is obvious difference of talent and salary based upon ethnicity within company or school. For instance, there are many Mexican or Black people working very hard physical job with low wage, while many Asian or white people are often getting better job with good salary.
Unfortunately, I hear many young Japanese people studying English at ESL level, make all kinds of comments against people of different race using Japanese language. They call Mexicans are like cockroach, or Blacks are lazy, and so on. I happen to have many black and Mexican friends, and I feel so bad when same Japanese people call them like that. If American people say such things in English, they will be sent to jail for such comments, and many Japanese young people don’t seem to care about it.
I feel this is kind of very dangerous situation for Japanese community in LA, and have to do something about it. Is it ok to tolerate this kind of comments or language just because we are in Japanese language community? Many great Japanese and Japanese American people are working so hard to make better society in LA, and only a few of very naive ignorant Japanese students are destroying entire images of Japanese people. How do you feel about living in melting pot society? How do you treat people of different color and culture? Thanks.
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- こらあーーー
- 2004/06/21 (Mon) 00:24
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you know what ? just cause some japanese talk abou cockroach or what you said ??whatever...it doesn' mean japanese community is goin to be worse men!how many guys come in this site you know ?? just a few monkeys me--n.you don' care abou that .n you know what ? have you seeeeeen american community site,is mostly for teens ..that is horrible.you see what i mean ? this is no big deal men .. it's none of your business men .
- #3
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- ズンドコベロンチョ
- 2004/06/21 (Mon) 01:17
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ん〜今一、君がエッセイっぽい文章の中で何を言いたいのかわかんないんだけど・・・、要するに日本人留学生の質についてなのかなぁ(毎度お馴染み)?
先ず、メキシカンのことを「ゴキブリ」と言っているのは君の知り合いだけじゃないか?俺の回りでそんなことを言ってる奴は皆無だぞ。君に質問だが、もちろん君はその発言を聞いた時、注意したんだろうね?注意したことを願う。そういう頭の悪い連中を相手にしたくない気持ちも分かるが、やはり馬鹿どもには正しい教育が必要だからね。所詮ゴキブリ発言でオーガズムに達してるような知的レベルの低い日本人など論破してやってください。あなたなら出来るはずです。
黒人lazy発言については、単純に人種間の勤勉さを量った時、まんざら・・・。ん〜lazyは差別なのか?俺にはわからん。人種・国籍の性格を形容する時、必ずしも良い意味の形容詞を用いる必要が有るのか無いのか。所詮、一個人の意見などその人間の偏見でしかないからなぁ。
別にゴキブリ発言をするような日本人がいても日系社会の危機ではないと思うよ。いつの時代にも差別主義者(信念・理念を持たない)はいるからね。こうして常に自己(日本人)の問題点を見つめ解決しようと努力するの日本人の美点であり、他民族より特に優れているとこだと思うしね。
ところで、#2こらあーーーさんは、日本語も変だが英語も変だね。バイリンガル(日本人)らしいけどもう少し勉強したら?外人のteatimeさんの方がよっぽどちゃんとした日本語の文章書いてるよ。
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- こらあーーー
- 2004/06/21 (Mon) 02:11
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私はバイリンガルじゃないね。。。日本人でもないね。。スパニッシュ、ポルトぎースも喋れるね。。あと元日本人ね。まだスピリットはもってるね、なんとか。あなたも少し勉強不足ね。。勤勉さの量?子供みたいな事をいわないで!!黒人、白人そして差別についてね。奴隷時代黒人の人たちは強制で連れてこられて、貧乏だったね。平等になっても、やはりお金のない家庭特に、黒人の人たちね、環境の悪い学校しか行けないね!最初の段階でアメリカにすむ黒人と白人の間には、差があり過ぎたね。だから、いまだに黒人に対して、大学を受かりやすくする制度や、スカラーシップ、いっぱいさまざまな問題があるね。未だに例えば白人コミュニティーに黒人が引っ越してきたら、土地の値段が下がったりするのよ。そして、黒人は悪い人が多い、当然かもしれないね。そういうコミュニティーで育ってきて、いろいろな問題あるね、そう簡単にぬけ出せないね。簡単な言葉で私たちがいえる事じゃないね。私たち日系コミュニティーも最初は差別され大変だったね、が、しかし私たちには自分の国 、日本、があるね。でも彼らには、ココしかないね。自分の母国で差別され続けているんだよ。もうちょっと勉強したら変な名前さん!!私もきちんとした言葉喋るようにしますが、どこが変かちょっとわからないね。。
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- ズンドコベロンチョ
- 2004/06/21 (Mon) 10:35
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僕の文章をちゃんと理解出来てないみたいなので、議論以前の問題みたいだね。日本語の勉強がんばって。
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- サンタ
- 2004/06/21 (Mon) 12:50
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こらあーーーさん。 ちょっとトピずれちゃいますが、文章の最後の「ね」を「です」「ます」とかに変えるといいです。ちょっとそっちの方が内容より気になってしまって・・(笑)。
- #8
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- こらあーーー
- 2004/06/21 (Mon) 22:00
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変な名前の人!あなたの言ってること理解できてます!だけれども、あなたの言い方、バカ呼ばわりの仕方私に対しても、他の文章からも、凄く伝わります!だから、気分が悪いです。最後に怠け者は差別ではありませんよ。ただ、知的レベルの低い人間がダメとはわたしは思いません。なぜならば、イロイロな人間がいてこそ世の中が成り立っているからです。あと貴方とは議論したくないですからもう終わりにしましょう。ごきげんよう。。あと サンタさん ね をとりました。ね?
- #11
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Dude, Dreamer -
First of all society has been screwed up for quite a long time . . .
And what does your topic have to do with the opening phrase . . . *When in Rome do as Romans do*
Yea so what, everyone in this world has there negative aspects think about it, you yourself probably judge people daily without realizing it. People in general (not all but mostly), diss other people, race, ethnicity (it's a psychological thing, and it occurs because of society). . . so what are you trying to prove? that japanese people are judgemental, we are racist towards other ethnicity???? dude, your judging that every japanese person with your statement . . . your saying because of what some other japanese people said of other ethnicity, it isn't cool, stop it . . .how can you stop people from dissing others when they themselves are dissing them and their own culture . . . not everyone disses other ethnicity, not everyone has an enjoyable standard awesome jobs, we aren't all made to be equal, with equal oppurtunities . . . o.k. not every one goes and diss others, there are people who respects others if they deserve it then there are people who don't . . .
- #10
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dreamerさん。
私もメキシカンの人をゴキブリ、ブラックを怠け者と言う日本人を見た事がまだありません。でも日本人は「白人がブラブラ・・・」とか「外人が・・・・・」という表現はよく使うけど、コケージョンが「イエローは・・・・・」と色で分ける表現をすると気分を悪くしたりしますよね?ようするにその人の教養でどう表現するかが決まるのだと思います。同人種で長い間生活している人種は、この点ではすごく鈍感なのだと思います。
悪意で言ってるケースと無知なため知らずに話してるケースがあると思います。
これが学生なら「しょうがない」で通せる場合もあるけど、社会人になれば訴訟ですし、特にアメリカはジェール行きになるケースが多いけど知らない人が多いのだと思いますよ。
「郷に入れば郷に従え」もちろんですが、その国に住んでいても文化を勉強せず自分の国の常識で(国によって常識が違う)通そうとする人は国籍問わずいますよね。
- #9
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こらあーさん。
スペイン語が母国語なのかな?なんとなく文法がスパニッシュっぽいのでそうなのかなと思って。
おそらく、日本語を最初に読み書きからではなくカンバから学んだのではないでしょうか?
文法をきちんと勉強していると、日本語のsubject + object + verbの順で書けるようになると思います。日本語には敬語があって男性の使う敬語と女性が使う敬語があるので(スペイン語の場合、冠詞は男女で分けるように)
日本語の場合、米語よりもブリティシュに近いのでmay i , could you , shall we , might you , をパブリックでは使うのが主流です。仕事でもカジュアル英語を使うと人から舐められるのと同じで日本語は敬語を使う時とカジュアルとケースバイケースで分けないと人から舐められのでご注意を。
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