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#1
  • おかみ3
  • mail
  • 2023/10/28 08:08

Is there any solution now to this war, which is the beginning of the problems in the Middle East ? The US government, backed by the Jewish lobby and its capital, will continue to send huge aid money, more than Ukraine, and the US carrier fleet is waiting off the coast. Iran. It's going to be a proxy war for the US. Personally, I think it's impossible to say that the borders of the world would be strange if we say that there was a country there 2000 years ago, but I think that Britain at that time is largely responsible for provoking it with complicated diplomacy for the sake of the interests of the Great War. But it was more than 70 years ago, so I don't think anyone is right or wrong now. As far as I can see, Hamas's killing is cruel and unforgivable, but I see the same thing in the oppression of the residents of Gaza by Israeli soldiers and the use of force. I remember visiting Gaza a few years ago.
Anyway, I hope that Israel will stop bombing because there are still many civilians in the north of the country who cannot move easily or cannot escape from Israel no matter how much advance notice is given to them. I wonder if Israel will continue the air strikes when Hamas is well aware that they are using the civilians as shields. I think Biden's stock would be better served if he spent our tax dollars to set the stage for peace talks with Hamas instead of supporting Israel militarily, but it seems that the military-industrial complex and Israeli capital behind him want to go to war in the name of eradicating terrorists.
I hope the Iranian intervention doesn't raise the price of oil any higher.

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#2
  • 昭和27
  • 2023/10/29 (Sun) 16:17
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> I have some memories of visiting Gaza a few years ago .

Why did you visit Gaza? What was your experience there?

How much penetration do you think the Japanese have in Gaza?

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#3
  • 昭和のおとっつぁん
  • 2023/10/30 (Mon) 07:09
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When the Bible describes a promised land from God
and those who believe in the Bible deny it
the Bible is also contradictory to believe and deny what it says.

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#4

I thought the Old Testament stories were myths like the Kojiki?
I don't think it's true that Moses escaped by splitting the sea or Noah's Ark. I don't have any evidence to deny it, though.

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#5
  • 70代前半
  • 2023/10/30 (Mon) 15:06
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About 50 years ago, when a guy named Kozo Okamoto was arrested for shooting up the Tel Aviv airport, I was like ? what is this guy doing there, but now I understand their purpose. I'm not saying I agree with them.
I wonder what happened to that guy ?.

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#6
  • 70代前半
  • 2023/10/30 (Mon) 17:05
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I heard that about 20% of Palestinians live in the part of Israel ( excluding the boroughs ) and I wish they could coexist like they do. I wish we could live together like them. I guess it's the gorilla followers of religion who are preventing us from doing so ?.

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#7
  • ガセネタ太郎
  • 2023/10/30 (Mon) 20:40
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Russia, China, Iran, and the Arabs have joined forces against the U.S.
World War III is possible, NATO will not function, Japan will not be able to get fuel and food
Everyone get ready.

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#9

Japan still depends on the Middle East for over 90% of its oil, so a major war in the Middle East would be very difficult. We should lift the economic restrictions on Russia and ask Putin to share it with us.

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#10
  • 悲劇
  • 2023/10/31 (Tue) 07:03
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It seems that there is a large number of crisis actors in the market this time as well.

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#11
  • 昭和のおとっつぁん
  • 2023/10/31 (Tue) 07:50
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Japan will not be able to get fuel and food, everyone should be prepared
I live in the US
Japan will not be able to get fuel and food, the US will not be able to get fuel and food ?.

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#16

#2
I used to work for an international NPO and entered Gaza via Israel. In Gaza, I was mainly in charge of supplying supplies as a humanitarian aid. I could not do anything freely in Gaza because I was monitored by the Israeli government and only worked within the permitted area. I did not have much contact with local residents except for work-related activities. The only thing that left an impression on me was that there were a lot of people walking around, a lot of cars, and a lot of children working there. I think that scenery may have disappeared by now 😟😞.

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#17
  • ごめん無知で
  • 2023/11/01 (Wed) 03:01
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I really don't know much about that area. I don't know anything at all, including the history, so I have no idea what's going on.

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#22
  • 昭和27
  • 2023/11/01 (Wed) 16:34
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Once upon a time, Moses led the Jews who were being persecuted in Egypt at that time, and brought them to the area that is now Israel. That place became the Holy Land. But the Palestinians who had lived there before would have been pushed out.

For thousands of years afterwards, Jews and Palestinians fought on the spot to protect the land that belonged to them.

And the two races were destined to live forever fighting.

Can you write a history that says.

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#23
  • 備えろ
  • 2023/11/01 (Wed) 17:28
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It's starting to look a little bad.

Turkish President Erdogan is furious that he weeps over the killing of Ukrainian children, but not over the killing of Palestinian children.
The Saudi foreign minister is starting to get furious too.

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#24
  • hello-
  • 2023/11/01 (Wed) 20:10
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Even in the mass media, you only report the sacrifices on the Israeli side and not on the Palestinian side. I want the Palestinians to give back their country.

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#26

Chosen people? A land given by God?
Almost no one today has the DNA of the ancient Hebrews, but as long as you believe in Judaism, you can be recognized as a Jew and get a nationality. It's strange. Ethnocentrism What is a border?
Separation of church and state. Less than 1% of the world's population is treated with unparalleled favor. They even have a nuclear arsenal and economic sanctions against Iran if they try to develop it. I don't know what's going on here.

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#27
  • 昭和のおとっつぁん
  • 2023/11/02 (Thu) 07:40
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Should we not return and live in the land promised to us by God?
I would risk my life to defend my safe haven if it were to be slaughtered as it was during World War II.

25 I don't care if I have you expose your ignorance by pretending to know something.

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#30
  • 昭和のおとっつぁん
  • 2023/11/02 (Thu) 09:49
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I guess you don't know what happened in auschwitz, Germany.
Israeli citizens were murdered because they had no country. You will only embarrass yourself if you write in with your ignorance. When challenged for writing, the third class gets angry and denies the other.

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#35
  • 70代前半
  • 2023/11/02 (Thu) 12:40
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I think the two of you are subtly mismatched. ?

Totsan says that Jews "risk their lives to defend their safe haven," while Gassenetta says that Palestinians must defeat Hamas themselves in order to defend Gaza. He says that the Palestinian Authority in the West Bank, which is not under Hamas' control, is able to coexist with Israel as an example.

・ Israel wants to eradicate the rampaging Hamas. ( I understand )

・ Good Palestinians are being victimized. ( Here's the problem )

The best thing to do is for the Palestinians to expel Hamas, but it's not realistic because it's like a peasant revolt against the Nobunaga army.

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#37
  • 70代前半
  • 2023/11/02 (Thu) 15:15
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① Israel was founded in 1948. ( It is unreasonable to say that the Palestinians were inhabitants 2000 years ago )

② The Palestinians are furious because their land was taken away from them. ( American Jews are taking the lead in promoting the Holocaust. "It seems that the Jews had a hard time, too. Successfully created international public opinion. )

③ The surrounding Arab states tried to fight, but they were too strong. ( Big defeat )

I'll give you money, let's live together. ( Palestinian Authority )

④ Hamas "Don't be silly !" A delinquent sells a fight to Yamaguchigumi, but is beaten up. Now here.

Religion is the root that does not allow coexistence. There is nothing more frightening than brainwashing. Even Japan has experienced suicide bombings ( and suicide attacks ) by the Emperor's religion. I can't speak for others.

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#38
  • 金がすべて
  • 2023/11/02 (Thu) 16:10
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The West Bank is home to a large number of Israelis, and approximately 84% of the area is controlled by the Israeli military, both in terms of administrative and military authority. The Palestinians are basically unable to do anything in this area because they are under hard-line effective control.

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#39
  • ワクチン義務化
  • 2023/11/02 (Thu) 16:38
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There is no justice in Hamas. Hamas leaders are living a life of luxury in Qatar, aren't they?
WW is calling for a thorough war against the Palestinian people from the Jacuzzi in Qatar.

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#40
  • 昭和のおとっつぁん
  • 2023/11/02 (Thu) 17:39
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Let the people of Israel go into this land and take it for themselves.
This is the place which the LORD swore to your fathers Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob,
saying that he would give it to them and to their descendants after them.

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#41

アブラハム一族が神から与えられたって言うてもカナンの土地には一応先住民が既にいたっぽいし
エジプトから脱出して戻って来た時にはそこにはペリシテ人(パレスチナの名前の由来)がいた.ゴリアテ凹してイスラエル国設立.紀元前1000年とかの神話.その後は新バビロニア,Assyria Roman Ottomanの土地 .15世紀位からあそこはアラブの人達の住居.今更2000年前のイスラエル国家の建設はかなり無理がある.
もう国境取っ払ってアラブイスラエル王国としてみんなで共同国家作ればちょっとはましになるんじゃね

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#42
  • 悲劇
  • 2023/11/04 (Sat) 06:46
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There is a lot of propaganda footage being played, just like during the Corona pandemic.

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#43
  • きっかけ
  • 2023/11/04 (Sat) 10:45
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What do you think people think when they see this and say stop bombing ? If we stay silent on this, we can't exist as a country
https://x.com/ImMeme0/status/1720580063916130624?s=20

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#46

Who judges based on only one side of the story->#43
Children in Gaza have been prey to Israeli airstrikes for years and are either dead or orphaned. The electricity and water infrastructure has been cut by Israel and is in short supply. The border is sealed and no one can get out. Then comes the warning of an air strike. But you can't escape.
There is no point in arguing about which side is worse now
But many countries are complaining to the UN about Israel's war crimes, which will never be accepted. You know why?

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#47
  • 質問
  • 2023/11/04 (Sat) 22:35
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Showa Otto, what would you do if people invaded your house by force and kicked you out ??

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#48
  • 質問
  • 2023/11/04 (Sat) 22:40
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Assuming the police and no one else will help you, what would you do if you were alone ??

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#49
  • 昭和のおとっつぁん
  • 2023/11/05 (Sun) 07:07
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What would you do if people came into your house by force and kicked you out ?
Would you live with the people who came in?

Would you cry, laugh, die
Would you
Would you

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#50

Now they can kill civilians all they want as long as they say "Hamas was there", but they don't seem to need to present any proof of that
They call them human shields, but were there really Hamas targets behind those shields ?

Making the entire Palestinian land into Israel It seems that the people who have the goal of
driving the Palestinian civilians out with civilian airstrikes, and then driving them out to Egypt in the name of allowing them to evacuate, all that land will belong to Israel
and they know it! Egypt seems to be refusing to accept refugees.

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#51
  • 昭和のおとっつぁん
  • 2023/11/06 (Mon) 07:05
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At the inauguration of the President of the United States, he puts his hand on the Bible and
chants the words "So help me God".

Israelis will always remember the holocaust that took place in auschwitz as
victims, but
to never suffer such a holocaust again
they will defend themselves even against the world.

When we are in the position of the perpetrators, like the J's, ( we fumble with "as if we did or did not".

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#52
  • 昭和のおとっつぁん
  • 2023/11/06 (Mon) 10:47
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In Gaza they tell people to evacuate
auschwitz, but they can't evacuate or escape, they can only wait for death
and live for weeks or months.

Concentration camp liberated by Soviet forces in January 1945. Only a few thousand prisoners remained at that time.
The victims were nearly one million Jews murdered in auschwitz.

Strong determination to defend themselves against the world if they were to become prisoners again and be murdered.

What would happen, for example, if the Japanese were locked up in camps in World War II
and secretly killed all the Japanese in all the camps and all American-born Japanese?




The Holocaust happened in
Evacuation but killing,

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#53
  • 怖っ
  • 2023/11/06 (Mon) 16:08
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Just like the US used to win wars
Israel is starting to say they'll use nuclear bombs too.

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#54

If Israel is allowed to have nuclear weapons, let Iran have them too ❗
Everyone should speak out more because the UN itself is a scam to begin with. The permanent members of the UN Council are the world's top arms exporters and nuclear powers with veto power. The presence of Russia and China is the end of the world. I don't understand what kind of logic is used to ban other countries from having nuclear weapons.

The most curious thing is where the hell is Hamas getting its weapons from? The Egyptian border at Gaza is always blocked and Egypt is anti-Hamas because they have a peace treaty with Israel. The Mediterranean Sea is under heavy maritime surveillance with only a few miles of fishing grounds open. The West Bank is too far away and Israel is in between. So there are actually Hamas members inside Israel, digging internal tunnels to transport the weapons out of Israel? How can weapons be transported from Ukraine to Gaza 🤔 there is no other border and no other route.

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#55
  • hello-
  • 2023/11/06 (Mon) 21:15
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The Israelis are saying that the Palestinians deserve to die because they did not evacuate after Israel advised them to do so before dropping the bombs.

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#56

#55
You are right. I don't think the old and sick can move easily
I don't understand why they bomb refugee camps
I can't tell from the video which one is the perpetrator.

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#57
  • 昭和のおとっつぁん
  • 2023/11/07 (Tue) 16:25
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Even if we don't know the reason for bombing refugee camps
we have to eliminate Hamas if they are sneaking there
they have tunnels under hospitals and other places and are blending in with refugee camps.
If Hamas bombs hospitals and there are deaths,
the tactic is to appeal to world public opinion and make Israel look bad.

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#58
  • hello-
  • 2023/11/07 (Tue) 20:16
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Hamas is a hero because it is a warrior defending its own country. It is natural, but it would be strange not to fight back when one's own country is taken away from one's own country at the behest of the Western powers.

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#59
  • 昭和のおとっつぁん
  • 2023/11/08 (Wed) 07:17
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Hamas fighters defending their own country and Jews forced to slaughter a million people because they have no country
I can't find a place to drop.

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#60

The current Netanyahu government is so ultra-radical Zionist that it is suppressing even the movement of orthodox Jews in Israel to oppose the attack on Gaza.

As long as the US military business is behind it, there is no solution, not even a drop. The streets of Gaza are the real Fist of the North Star.

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#61

According to AFP, it seems that the Israeli army is using human shields

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[AFP, July 16, 2011] Israeli soldiers who participated in the Israeli army's attacks on the Gaza Strip ( in the Palestinian territories between December of last year and January of this year were told by senior military officials that "if in doubt, shoot first. Israeli soldiers who participated in Israeli military attacks on the Gaza Strip ) in the Palestinian territories between December of the previous year and January of this year testified that they were instructed by senior military officers to "shoot first if you suspect something,
and worry about the results afterwards," and to use Palestinian civilians as "human shields. He testified that he was instructed to use Palestinian civilians as "human shields.

Breaking the Silence ( Breaking the Silence ) 」, a group of retired Israeli soldiers, released a report on March 15.

According to the report, testimonies were collected from about 30 anonymous soldiers.
It states that the results reveal that the massive destruction in the Gaza Strip 「 is a direct result 」 of the policy of the ( Israel Defense Forces, IDF ).

One soldier stated that 「 whenever they approached a building, they always sent their neighbors first 」 and testified that it was common practice for Israeli soldiers to use Palestinian civilians as 「 human shields 」.
Another soldier said that he was told by a superior officer 「 of instances 」 in which he placed the barrel of a gun on a civilian's shoulder and used his body as a shield to enter a house.

The soldiers testified that these instructions given before the battle made the soldiers prone to firing unnecessarily, resulting in civilian deaths and devastating blows. (c)AFP/Yana Dlugy

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#62
  • 人間がすることか?
  • 2023/11/10 (Fri) 21:33
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2NQzuWD3_Q

The Israeli army is spraying white phosphorus bombs, which are banned to be used against people and urban areas because they are too cruel, from helicopters into Gaza.
White phosphorus burns violently when it comes in contact with moisture, and when it comes in contact with human skin and mucous membranes, it starts to burn violently and penetrates to the bone, causing severe pain for a long period of time.
It is said that all water and food in the city will also burn and disappear.

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#63

I saw a video on a social networking channel that the Israeli army stopped electricity and water supply in Gaza and dropped bombs on public water stations, blowing away many Gazan civilians. I didn't believe it for a second, but the images of crying children in the rubble, covered in blood, seemed to me to be the truth.
I thought Israel was the victim, but not too much ?.

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#64
  • 坩堝
  • 2023/11/18 (Sat) 06:23
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I've actually experienced this first hand in the U.S.
Palestinians are all friendly to Japanese, but
Israelis are often racist and don't even let Asians in their sights.

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#65
  • 不思議
  • 2023/11/18 (Sat) 07:41
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> Many Israelis are racist and don't even want Asians in their sights.

How did you know I was Israeli? I asked ?

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#66
  • 昭和のおとっつぁん
  • 2023/11/18 (Sat) 07:56
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# Many Israelis are racist and don't even want Asians in their sights.

Japan was allied with Germany during WWII.

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#67
  • 坩堝
  • 2023/11/18 (Sat) 15:44
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> How did you know I was Israeli? I asked ?

because the area along Pico south of Beverly Hills is over 90% Israeli. I was doing door dashing and Uber Eats at Temporary during the lockdown period, so the response to me at many restaurants in that area was terrible everywhere.

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#68
  • 昭和のおとっつぁん.
  • 2023/11/18 (Sat) 16:00
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67

You must have looked shabby and looked at your feet.

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#69
  • 昭和のおとっつぁん
  • 2023/11/18 (Sat) 16:19
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# The way many restaurants in the area treated me was terrible everywhere.

If you say
"Honey, Besame ・ Mucho" to the waiter who will deal with you at McDonald's, he'll be very friendly and give you a throw kiss.

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#70
  • 妄想のおとっつぁん
  • 2023/11/18 (Sat) 16:49
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Honey ? Halfway.
Tell the delusional clerk that Bonita bésame mucho.

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#71

> I can't find a place to drop because I'm a Hamas fighter defending my country and a Jew forced to slaughter a million people because I don't have a country.

As long as they are not satisfied with the land they have been given and have the goal of restoring the Israel of old, the world may one day say, "That's why they slaughter a million people!"

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#79
  • オイル
  • 2023/11/19 (Sun) 22:23
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It is said that Israel and the U.S. are actually persecuting Palestinians because of incidents like this one, since the Gaza Strip, where Palestinians live, is lying in valuable resources such as oil.

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#80
  • メディアを金とスポンサーで操作
  • 2023/11/19 (Sun) 23:08
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I saw on the news that there was an attack on a U.S. military base in Syria
When did the U.S. military build and manage a base in an oil producing area inside Syria?

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#81
  • 昭和のおとっつぁん
  • 2023/11/20 (Mon) 12:34
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It is impossible to make a denial because many people believe in the Bible.

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#82

> It's impossible to make a denial because there are so many people who believe in the Bible.

There have been quite large protests by Israelis against the current government in Israel
I guess that means there are many people who believe in the Bible but still think the way the current Israeli government is doing things is terrible!

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# I guess that means there are many people who think the way the Israeli government is doing things now is terrible

A country can't do what it does if it changes its policies because of public opinion.

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#84

Does anyone realize that there are huge interests at stake in this war? There are huge interests at stake in this war. Why are the US, Britain and France supporting Israel all the way behind the scenes? Why does Israel really want the Gaza Strip?
The Old Testament? The Promised Land? The Holocaust? These are the national history and religious beliefs of orthodox Jews and are not really important to the people in the Israeli government.
Every day more and more civilians in Gaza are being killed in this Israeli farce. The Israeli travesty has been planned all along, until it fulfills its true purpose. Diplomacy and international politics is just a power game of wealth. Unfortunately, history education and political science in schools do not reveal the truth.

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#85

What then do you consider to be true? Please write down what you think is the truth.

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