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• Sho
• 2021/01/22 (Fri) 10:53
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＞ Does it support both Google Pay and Apple Pay?

Basically, iPhone supports Apple Pay and Android supports Google Pay. I don't think there are any models that support both ？ I've never heard of it.

"Osaifu-Keitai" refers to a payment method using Felica. Osaifu-Keitai" includes Rakuten Edy, Seven's nanaco, and Docomo's iD. All of them offer rewards such as points, so I have the impression that there are many users in Japan.


＞ Also, what are "overseas specifications"? Do you mean the communication specifications of the cell phone companies? Here, Verizon and Sprint use CDMA, while AT&T and T-Mobile use GSM.

Overseas specifications refer to the different frequency bands of radio waves to be grabbed and the functions of the phone, which is a slightly different topic from the one we are discussing now, so let's leave it at that for now.


Felica is a type of NFC standard, a communication standard.
The difference between Type A/B and F is the communication speed, Type A/B is 424kbps while Type F is 848kbps, twice as fast.

For contactless payment,

・ payment terminal
・ payment register
・ payment method

all three must support the same NFC type Payment method

[Payment terminal]
Many overseas smartphones support only Type A/B, while Japanese smartphones support up to Type F with Felica.
（ In reality, though, there is only one flimsy Felica sheet in Japanese smartphones. ）
And of course, most US credit cards are only Type A/B compatible.

[Cashier]
In Japan, cashiers and other contactless payment terminals only support Type F. Most A/B are not supported.

[Payment Methods]
Felica is Type F payment.
Apple Pay and Google Pay are settled with Type A/B.


In other words, contactless payment is not available in Japan unless all three of the above are Type F compatible.


Then why are Apple Pay and Google Pay so popular in Japan?
That is because Apple Pay and Google Pay in Japan are currently settled via Felica such as iD in order to let them settle with Type F because the cash registers are not compatible with Type A/B. Apple Pay and Google Pay in Japan have the same name as their overseas counterparts, but the reality is that they are not the same. This is the reason why Google Pay and Apple Pay cannot be used in Japan.

By the way, Japanese cash registers have recently started to support Type A/B, and some stores are beginning to accept Type A/B payments.
If the cash registers support Type A/B, the above three conditions will be met, and Google Pay and Apple Pay will be available in Japan.

• 倍金萬
• 2021/01/22 (Fri) 15:05
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Notwithstanding the details, we are aware that new iPhone models released in the past few years, including those sold in the US market, have FeliCA chips and that iPhones bought （ and leased ） in the US can use Apple Pay in Japan.

On the other hand, is Google Pay currently available at NFC terminals in Japanese retailers? Well, I myself would not be interested in it at all if it didn't have Suica card functionality. Anyway, when I travel to Japan, especially when I pay for train fare, I need cash only to buy or recharge my Suica card, and I am so used to almost all payments here being by credit card that I have a big resistance to taking cash out of my wallet.

• Sho
• 2021/01/22 (Fri) 22:09
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If Felica is included, Apple Pay and Google Pay can be used in Japan. However, in case of Google Pay, I think you need to link Felica with Osaifu-Keitai application etc.

I'm from western Japan, so I don't know much about Mobile Suica. ・ ・ I know you don't like to pay in cash, but Suica and other transportation IC cards have an auto-charge function using credit cards, so why don't you use that function? I don't know if it is possible or not, but I'll have to check. ）

• 倍金萬
• 2021/01/23 (Sat) 10:10
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My knowledge related to Google Pay and Suica cards stopped in mid-2019, and I believed that Android phones would never allow me to pass through an automatic ticket gate at a Japanese station by simply holding my phone over it.

But just to be sure, I googled Google Pay and Suica functionality and found the following site, and now I know that Google Pay itself can be associated with Suica accounts without a FeliCa chip （ circuit ） i.e. without the Google Pay functionality alone. I found out that it is now possible to associate with Suica account without FeliCa chip circuit

https://time-space.kddi.com/mobile/20200318/2857

"Basics of 'Google Pay （ Google Pay ）', including how to set up Suica and loyalty cards"

The text in the article titled "Visa touch payment is available for smartphones with NFC even if they do not support mobile wallet ® （ FeliCa ）", so I downloaded the app from Google's Play Store. "Suica and IC Card reader - Suikakeibo"" from Google Apps Play Store.

In this app, when you hold a Suica card and your Android phone near each other with NFC, the contents of the Suica card are read contactlessly. The phone displays as follows.

SUICA/PASMO/.
I
￥ 5,585
I
Jul 2019 (K) Narita Airport Terminal 1
￥ 1,276 ... ￥ 5,585
I
(T) Kuramae

(T) Kuramae
￥ 104
￥ 6,861
I
(T) Asakusa
・
・
・



Therefore, at this stage, I think I can pass through the automatic ticket gate at the station by holding my phone over the ticket gate with Google Pay on Android. In reality, I will have to go there and try it out.

• 倍金萬
• 2021/01/24 (Sun) 09:41
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I understood
that Suica card （ JR East's card financial system ） and Google Pay are linked , but I can't be sure
that Google Pay phone and JR East's automatic ticket gate device are fully linked until I visit Japan. I don't know for sure until I go to Japan and try it.

I will continue to google about the connection.