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Old age in Japan or the U.S. ?.
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- pooske
- 2022/09/22 23:14
End of life, but which is better ?
I've heard that in the U.S. it's hard to have that kind of money, that you need more than $1 million over 10 years to be miserable in a nursing home. So if you move in when you are in your 70s and live to be 90, you would need $2 million.
On the other hand, in Japan, if you have 50 million yen for 10 years, they will take care of you in a decent place. 100 million yen for 20 years.
The current view is to be based in the U.S. until you have some freedom to move around, and then sell to Japan.
The food would be better than the US facility, and since all the kids are back in Japan, they would come to see us once in a while.
What do you all think?
I retired at 55. I will receive a pension from Japan starting next month and from the U.S. next year I will receive a pension from the U.S. I am 61 years old.
90% of my assets are in the US. I have a residence in Japan and live in both.
What are your candid thoughts?This text has been translated by auto-translation. There may be a slight difference between the original text and the translation. (Original Language: 日本語)
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- 昭和のおとっつぁん
- 2022/09/24 (Sat) 07:19
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# If money is not a problem, we can withstand the extreme heat, so
that would be fine as long as you don't leave your air conditioned room.
But we also need to think about how we can live without stepping outside.
It is still better to meet your end in a familiar place, so you don't have to worry about unnecessary things.
We need to consider that preparing a place to live in Japan is not the same as going back to Japan
.This text has been translated by auto-translation. There may be a slight difference between the original text and the translation. (Original Language: 日本語)
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- ひろ
- 2022/09/24 (Sat) 08:33
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>>>> But we also need to think about how we can live without stepping outside.
In Tokyo, there are quite a few complexes of residences, offices, and commercial facilities. You can live a comfortable life
without stepping outside.
If you take the best of both Japan and the U.S. ? I think ・ ・ ・ ・
you can go back and forth twice a year or so.
I can think of a lot of things while I'm healthy, but when I'm not, I'll have to decide one way or the other.
But if it's a little longer term, I think you have to include political factors and earthquakes.This text has been translated by auto-translation. There may be a slight difference between the original text and the translation. (Original Language: 日本語)
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- 倍金万
- 2022/09/24 (Sat) 08:44
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#13 Mr. Pinkiri,
I guess it all depends on money. In Japan, it seems that some facilities are so bad that there was a news story about a nurse who got mad and killed a patient. The comparison of Japan vs. the U.S. is a very broad one, and if you don't get accurate information, you will end up making a wrong decision.I have already saved my fortune so that I can recuperate at home when my head becomes a blur and my body has to be in a wheelchair. But if I become completely demented, I have no idea where I will be or what kind of care I will receive, and I will be entirely dependent on my companion and my children. Worst case scenario, I might be poisoned and end up in Anoyo, but that would be a blessing in disguise. This text has been translated by auto-translation. There may be a slight difference between the original text and the translation. (Original Language: 日本語)
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- 昭和のおとっつぁん
- 2022/09/24 (Sat) 09:48
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You will have to order home delivery and won't be able to shop.
If my body gets lame from lack of exercise, my life expectancy will be reduced.
If you live in an office, commercial building and have leisure facilities, Fitness, swimming pool, and even a spa, there is nothing to say.This text has been translated by auto-translation. There may be a slight difference between the original text and the translation. (Original Language: 日本語)
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- 。
- 2022/09/24 (Sat) 10:59
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one can conquer evil with one's own hands
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- pooske
- 2022/09/24 (Sat) 19:46
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It is a truly vexing question. If there is only one option, then it is decided, but there is also the problem of having a choice.
I do not want to inconvenience my spouse, children, and others. I have promised my spouse that we will not care for each other.We do not want to waste time with each other in our short remaining lives. We have already wasted more than two years with the corona disaster.
If we leave California and go to a different state, it will be less expensive, but it is also true that there is discrimination against yellow people.Your opinions are greatly appreciated. Please post more of your thoughts. This text has been translated by auto-translation. There may be a slight difference between the original text and the translation. (Original Language: 日本語)
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- pooske
- 2022/09/24 (Sat) 20:59
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Showa Ototto
The good thing about the U.S. is certainly the working environment and wages, but I think there is more to it than that.
I can only vaguely describe it as freedom, but I think the ability to spend time without worrying about what others around you think is a big part of it.
Also, what will happen to Japan depending on future moves by China ? The U.S. will respond with security to some extent, but in the end it will be abandoned.
At that time, it will become a U.S. state ? I think that will be the only way, but, or it will prepare its military now and become a force that can compete with China alone ?
In all likelihood, China and Japan cannot cross paths. If they stop the one-party politics of the Communist Party, we will know, but as long as that continues, it is impossible.
I hope that we will not reach that point, at least not in our lifetime. Beyond that, I think it is the efforts and will of the next generation. There is nothing we can leave to the next generation.I like both the US and Japan. There are points that the U.S. does not like about Japan. Conversely, there are things about Japan that I dislike about the US. It is a luxury. This text has been translated by auto-translation. There may be a slight difference between the original text and the translation. (Original Language: 日本語)
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We are a couple who worked in the US and returned to Japan after retiring early a few years ago, and have no regrets so far. I feel peace of mind in every respect. Of course, there are many good things about the U.S., but in Japan, food is good and cheap everywhere you go, service is good, and life is easy. Even though it is hot in the summer, it is not to the point of death.
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- 人それぞれだけど
- 2022/09/25 (Sun) 04:47
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Single ?
I live in the US now just for work and money ?.This text has been translated by auto-translation. There may be a slight difference between the original text and the translation. (Original Language: 日本語)
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- 団塊
- 2022/09/25 (Sun) 06:46
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> #13Pinkiri-san
The reality of care is exactly like a modern day ubasan.
In my case, I am not as well funded as Mr. Doubukin, so I am afraid that I will end up in a facility with that kind of treatment.Well, when I need nursing care, I will choose Japan. Until then, I'll continue to live in the South Bay, where the climate is great. The climate here is worth it.
There are plenty of places with warm winters, but this is the only place with cool summers. If it rained even 1/100th of what it does in Japan, I'd be happy.This text has been translated by auto-translation. There may be a slight difference between the original text and the translation. (Original Language: 日本語)
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- 昭和のおとっつぁん
- 2022/09/25 (Sun) 06:48
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20 You must be living in a low-income category.
You must be in a similar position because you seem to write a lot of posts slandering only low income people.
The neighbor's garden must look beautiful.
Japanese who live in foreign countries look to Japan, but
Japanese who live in Japan look to foreign countries.
If you take 300,000 Japanese yen to a country in Southeast Asia where it costs about 1,000,000 yen,
you will find that you can live more prosperously.This text has been translated by auto-translation. There may be a slight difference between the original text and the translation. (Original Language: 日本語)
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- ボランティア
- 2022/09/25 (Sun) 08:20
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American nursing homes, really clerical and without warmth. It's all superficial. Especially these days, there are many H-types and they are talking from the top, which is scary. The reality is that the bedridden people only come to see them a few times a day if they don't have medicine. Volunteers come and talk to them.
I did it after they cut my ticket. It is a good social lesson. One locker all property, 6 people in a room, it's hard if you can't get along. I hope it's not cognitive, but if it is, it might be the way they treat things.This text has been translated by auto-translation. There may be a slight difference between the original text and the translation. (Original Language: 日本語)
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- 昭和のおとっつぁん
- 2022/09/25 (Sun) 09:25
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#American nursing homes, real clerical, no warmth.
What do you expect?
Even if you expect heartfelt hospitality in a nursing home.
If you stay in a hotel or ryokan, you are a guest
and can expect heartfelt hospitality.This text has been translated by auto-translation. There may be a slight difference between the original text and the translation. (Original Language: 日本語)
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- 倍金万
- 2022/09/25 (Sun) 09:32
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> In my old age, I will spend my time in Japan, bathing in hot springs and eating delicious food
This is only until I am physically and mentally healthy.
Imagine the second half of your old age.
Well, by then you won't even know where you are or who is nearby and what they are talking about.This text has been translated by auto-translation. There may be a slight difference between the original text and the translation. (Original Language: 日本語)
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- ボランティア
- 2022/09/25 (Sun) 09:55
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Residents of nursing homes are customers too, in a sense.
Unless it's Medicare or some other insurance, then yes, but they should be treated equally.I don't expect anything. It means that when I volunteered, that was the reality. The nurses probably know best to ignore the elderly who reach out and complain every day because they want to be left alone for no reason. A family member or friend would have dealt with it. But it was family that put him there, too.
If they don't know why anymore, and if they get dementia, it's a profitable thing, and they don't even know, so they won't be bothered.
Showa Grandpa.This text has been translated by auto-translation. There may be a slight difference between the original text and the translation. (Original Language: 日本語)
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- 万年貧乏底辺な昭和のおとっつぁん
- 2022/09/25 (Sun) 13:45
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I've been in the US for over 20 years, working with Americans at a major local company, and getting paid reasonably well.
After all, other than the working environment and wages, there are specific areas where the US is better than Japan, including medical insurance ?.This text has been translated by auto-translation. There may be a slight difference between the original text and the translation. (Original Language: 日本語)
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- 身分がどうであれ革靴を履き同じ高さの椅子に座る
- 2022/09/25 (Sun) 14:35
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> > There are places where America is better than Japan ?
I think it is where we can treat each other as equals as human beings, no matter what our status or income is.This text has been translated by auto-translation. There may be a slight difference between the original text and the translation. (Original Language: 日本語)
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- 万年貧乏底辺な昭和のおとっつぁん
- 2022/09/25 (Sun) 16:11
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> Where people can be treated as equals as human beings, no matter what their status or income is.
The country with the widest gap between the rich and the poor and the most racist in the world
Without insurance, you can't even ride in an ambulance and doctors refuse to treat you, but you are talking about Japan ?.This text has been translated by auto-translation. There may be a slight difference between the original text and the translation. (Original Language: 日本語)
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About 8 years ago, upon my retirement at age 70, I was considering moving into a CCRC (Continued Care Retirement Community) in Silicon Valley and looked around at the candidates. I found that the good ones were expensive both ・ and
monthly, with a one-time move-in fee of $ 200k- $ 1M, and food expenses $ 5k-7k/m for two people, and a several year waiting list was the norm.
So I checked similar CCRCs ( in Japan ) and found that the upfront fees are $ 0- $ 700k, expenses $ 2-4k, and there is no waiting period and the rooms are available immediately. In other words, there was a difference of about 2x ( ) between CA and Japan for the same class at that time. The current rate would be almost 3 times as much.
My wife and I went to Japan and toured the facility ・ and felt that the level of staff at the facilitywas superior to similar facilities in the US. Since we were both born in Japan and usually lived in Japanese, ate Japanese food, and watched only Japanese TV, we decided to move to Japan, believing that we would have no problems living in Japan. In fact, after moving to Japan, the facility met my expectations, the staff were all friendly, and I had no problems. However, I gradually began to feel uncomfortable with the way I interacted with the other residents living in the facility, and my wife became almost depressed after the move. My wife, who was used to the American way of frank socializing, could not seem to get used to the Japanese ( way of socializing, especially with the elderly ). Also, she had never lived in a so-called "apartment complex" before, so that may have had an effect on her. After two years, they decided to move back to the U.S. and are now living in a house in Hawaii. We decided not to consider moving to a facility as long as she was physically able to do so. This text has been translated by auto-translation. There may be a slight difference between the original text and the translation. (Original Language: 日本語)
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- 昭和のおとっつぁん
- 2022/09/25 (Sun) 17:02
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The son of a Mexican man I knew
had a serious car accident and was in a life and death situation.
Without insurance, he couldn't ride in an ambulance, and doctors and hospitals wouldn't deny him treatment.
His son said he had a claim for about a million dollars, but he could not pay it
because he had no income, so he was let go.
In his late teens, he was sitting on the street talking to a friend when he got hit by a stray bullet in a gang shootout
and was taken to the hospital but did not have to pay for treatment.
In America, if you don't have money, you can live without it.This text has been translated by auto-translation. There may be a slight difference between the original text and the translation. (Original Language: 日本語)
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