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Regarding Vaccine Discrimination

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#1
  • まるん
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  • 2021/06/03 07:11

The other day I saw an article on Yahoo News titled "Vaccine Discrimination Visible in the U.S."
The story is about the divisiveness that has emerged, with vaccinated people excluding unvaccinated people from their circle of friends, etc.
I heard from people around me that this is actually happening in the Japanese American community.
Personally, I think that whether or not to vaccinate is a personal choice, and it is not right to impose it, and if you are worried, you should have a PCR test done before the meeting to make sure it is negative ?.
I understand your concern about large gatherings such as home parties, but even people who are vaccinated are not absolutely safe, so it's not right to have large gatherings at this point in the first place.
I feel that people who push vaccines are often people who think that what they think is right is 100 percent right, or people who are closed-minded, like "I don't hang out with people who aren't on social media."
I have many other friends who don't vaccinate, and even if they do, vaccines are a personal choice, so I'm glad to be rid of people who are personally intrusive and closed-minded, though.

I was recently told by my boss at work that if I don't vaccinate, I will only work online.
Since I have to deal with clients on a commission basis, working online only would certainly result in fewer clients and less pay.
I get PCR every week and almost all of my clients say I don't have to get vaccines, but in the end it's all about the boss's pride that all employees at my office get vaccines and it's great. It's definitely vaccine discrimination. I would think that someone who wears a mask and diligently refrains from wearing it like a PCR even if they haven't been vaccinated is safer than someone who takes off their mask and parties because they have been vaccinated. I am thinking of quitting my workplace at this time because this boss is a true pushover, has a bad reputation with clients, and is known for his moral harassment.
I have other friends who are changing jobs for the same reason.

He says vaccines are to protect others, but he discriminates against people and eliminates their jobs, how is that protecting others?
How is it around you guys ? Please share your experiences.

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#2
  • まったく。。。。。。
  • 2021/06/03 (Thu) 09:32
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From the company's point of view, if an employee gets sick or is hospitalized, the company will have to pay more and spend more.
This is not limited to coronas,
that is, they want the employees who believe the rumors and deny the vaccine to quit because they are more likely to get sick
it's not childish to think that all the employees have been vaccinated ! it's great, isn't it?
It's a statement from the company that they want you to quit as soon as possible

It's a sociopath to believe a doctor at some obscure clinic
over what a professor at a university in the US or Japan who specializes in vaccines, etc. is saying.

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#3
  • 正直
  • 2021/06/03 (Thu) 09:36
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I have a little kid who can't be vaccinated yet
and I don't want to have to deal with weird stubborn people. And there are parents.

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#5

> People who push vaccines are the ones who think that what they think is right is 100 percent right

That's what you can say about people who are stubbornly against vaccines. They say that vaccines are just experimental subjects, so don't ever vaccinate.
I don't know what the basis for this is, but it's like they're not doctors or researchers, but they're 100% right and you should listen to what they have to say. It's up to the individual to decide whether or not to hit. Don't force your negativity on people. It's very childish to complain about the company or diss the affirmative here. I am neither a positive nor a negative person, but I don't hit because I don't want to hit now. That doesn't mean I discriminate or criticize those who do. Of course, I have good self-control in the way that I don't play. I think you are discriminating against the affirmative group.

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#6
  • おかしくないか?
  • 2021/06/03 (Thu) 10:16
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Are you ignoring those who have been vaccinated and died ??

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#7
  • ったく。。
  • 2021/06/03 (Thu) 10:27
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# 6
Even before the corona fiasco, hundreds of thousands more people died every day from disease
There were stroke patients every day.
the corona vaccine is not an immortal drug, so hundreds of thousands of people would die every day even after the vaccine
there would be stroke patients as well
how do you determine if a death or stroke was caused by the vaccination ?
don't you think there are a large number of deaths regardless of vaccination ?
are you sure you would die if vaccinated ?

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#8
  • ふわり
  • 2021/06/03 (Thu) 12:04
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> I think people who push vaccines are often people who think "what they think is right is 100% right" or people who are closed-minded, like "I don't associate with people who aren't on social media"

This is a complete false accusation w
Vaccinated. But I don't have people like that around me.
If you don't vaccinate, only remote, isn't that a very good boss?
You just have to devise a way to get results remotely ?.

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#9
  • ともだち断捨離あり
  • 2021/06/03 (Thu) 12:08
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Isn't it good? ? I refuse to accept people who are at the level where they would do something like that to exclude their friends.

It's the same level as the idiots who think they are safe if they are vaccinated. Even if you vaccinate, you will get the disease and die.

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#10
  • 傍観だけでは終われなくなった3
  • 2021/06/03 (Thu) 13:07
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> It's not right to have a large gathering at this point in the first place
I agree.

> I think people who do PCR and wear masks and refrain from being serious are safer

than people who take off their masks and party because they got vaccinated. I think masks + close avoidance is still necessary. There are successful cases such as Taiwan and New Zealand, where the disease can be successfully contained without vaccines, so the effectiveness of such measures has been proven.

Unfortunately, there are unfortunate circumstances in this country. The successful countries had quick border closures, and they also had a large population with high morals that cared for others as well.

This country, where self-centeredness runs rampant, and the head of state is the best example of this, with no concern for anything but self-interest and inaction, was deadly from the very first moment, and as a result, we had to make this risky vaccination choice.

So, unfortunately, as long as there is no convergence, it is wise to avoid contact with others as much as possible, work remotely, and if contact is absolutely necessary, masks + close avoidance are most important. If everyone were to follow the same awareness, then I don't think there would be any discrimination. What makes it difficult is the presence of self-centeredness.

And of course, when faced with a choice like yours, you are free to make whatever decision you want. But if the business owner decides to work remotely for the unattached, he is also free to do so.

> I'm not sure if I should quit my workplace
or just quit.

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#12
  • 担々麺
  • 2021/06/03 (Thu) 16:55
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Almost all of your customers, which means there are a few who don't, and you're willing to lose them, so you don't have to vaccinate them ?.

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#14
  • ワクチンは打ちません
  • 2021/06/03 (Thu) 21:08
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but I have never been subjected to overt discrimination.

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#15
  • 567
  • 2021/06/04 (Fri) 11:56
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It is up to the individual to vaccinate or not vaccinate.
I pretend I did because it's too much trouble.

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#17
  • 傍観だけでは終われなくなった3
  • 2021/06/04 (Fri) 16:38
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> The same trick was used during the Spanish flu and the mask brainwashing
for what ? ? conspiracy of mask makers ? lol

> Q. The mortality rate is higher when you vaccinate than when you get corona, so why don't you tell us on TV ?
Because there is no such fact. Your sources are ? 🥱

> Fauci, Vaccine Ineffective Against Corona
> ABC News Admits Faking
Source ? 😪

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#18
  • うったよ
  • 2021/06/04 (Fri) 18:02
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I don't mean that people who haven't been vaccinated should stay in a safe place as before, because if they get the disease, they could get very sick ?.

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#19
  • 確かに
  • 2021/06/04 (Fri) 20:30
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> Q. Why don't you tell us on TV that the death rate is higher when you vaccinate than when you get corona ?
because there is no such fact. Your source ? 🥱

I don't see such news, but I did read that 85 people have died since the vaccination started only 3 months ago. And 3 in their 20's..........................

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#24
  • 傍観だけでは終われなくなった3
  • 2021/06/04 (Fri) 21:58
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> It's only been 3 months since the vaccination started and 85 people have died
Japan ? If those 85 deaths are higher than the infection rate of about 0.6%, then we're talking about only about 14,000 people who have all been vaccinated 😂 stupid. over 6 million people have been vaccinated.

> do your own research
No, if you're going to write a story like that, it's rather good manners to post the source as well. And I don't have the hobby to go out of my way on my own time to look for gossip.

> Even yahoo japan
doesn't seem to understand that it's just a portal site. You should know that it is not an information media, so it is a place where various stories are posted as they like, without any policy to guarantee the authenticity of the stories.

> Proof that lies are becoming impossible to hide
No one is denying the 85 deaths, and the information is public to begin with. And "vaccinating against coronas has a higher mortality rate than catching coronas" is a fake.

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#26
  • ワクチンは打ちません
  • 2021/06/04 (Fri) 22:07
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>> It's only been 3 months since the vaccination started and 85 people have died
Japan ? If those 85 deaths are higher than the infection rate of about 0.6%, then we're talking about only about 14,000 people who have all been vaccinated 😂 stupid. over 6 million people. I heard that they are inoculating.


You sound like a person who can only judge a situation by numbers. You are a pretty terrible person, you know. You have no heart.

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#27
  • ワクチンは打ちません
  • 2021/06/04 (Fri) 22:10
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I actually had a corona, but it was just a common cold. I did have corona, but it was just a cold. I don't vaccinate. I know many people who have felt something wrong with their bodies after being vaccinated. It has only been a few months, so I don't know what will happen now.

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#29

> I actually contracted corona but it was just a cold. I don't vaccinate

even if it's a free cold, next time it could be serious
lots of people with mild illnesses only to have the aftereffects appear months later.

free cold = no vaccine
too simple.

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#30
  • ガセを鵜呑み
  • 2021/06/04 (Fri) 23:20
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#28

You can't just paste a bunch of falsehoods...

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#32
  • まるん
  • 2021/06/05 (Sat) 07:25
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Thank you all for your input.

Totally 。。。。。。 Mr.

> insurance costs, etc., etc.
I am a contractor so I don't bother the company with insurance costs.

> I want employees who believe silly rumors and persist in denying vaccines and are likely to get sick to quit
I don't want them to quit, they've been told repeatedly to vaccinate and if they can't, to continue online. They don't want me to quit.

> I don't have any childish idea that it's great that all my employees are vaccinated !
My boss said it himself, "I want my customers to think it's great that all my employees are vaccinated, completely to enhance the company image."

> It's more sociopathic to believe the doctor at the clinic who doesn't know better
Some university professors and experts are against the corona vaccine.
Are you a sociopath if you call a complete stranger a "sociopath" on the internet ?
Everything you say is out of line.

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#33
  • まるん
  • 2021/06/05 (Sat) 07:31
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Ms. Fuwari

I'm just saying "I feel like there are a lot of them", I'm not saying they all are.
I just thought it was a tendency because many people around me have the same opinion, not just me.

> If you don't vaccinate, only remote, isn't that a very good boss?

I told everyone around me about this boss, and they were all turned off by it, so if you think you're a "meh boss," there's a big chance that people around you are denigrating your humanity without your knowledge. Please be careful what you say and do.

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#34
  • まるん
  • 2021/06/05 (Sat) 07:36
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Kindergartner

You dismiss me as a "kindergartner" to the best of your ability. Isn't that behavior childish? ?
I never said anything about never vaccinating. I clearly stated in the text that it is a personal choice. You laugh in my face. You say don't criticize, but you are the one criticizing.

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#35
  • まるん
  • 2021/06/05 (Sat) 08:23
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Thank you all for your various opinions. I read each one with great interest.
I guess we have different opinions about vaccines. Some people enjoy junk food, others are concerned about additives and don't even take supplements, and I think it is impossible to persuade each other because of the different ways of thinking and feeling. So it is up to the individual to decide whether or not to take the vaccine, and I hope that people will not discriminate against those who do or do not take it, or that it will interfere with their work.

I don't think that vaccines will kill me, but I am basically allergic to them and they always cause side effects that normal people don't get, so I don't want to take vaccines that are too new. That is why I am always careful not to get sick, and since I am able to take care of my health well enough to be praised by doctors, I also believe that the most important thing is to strengthen my immune system.
I've only half-listened to the population reduction theory, but I honestly think that there must be something behind the scenes ? that makes people take vaccines, even with all these campaigns and such.

If you're worried about inviting non-vaccinated people to a gathering because they have children or elderly family members, just have them tested and confirmed negative before you meet. It's still not "discrimination" to exclude them from the group just because of the vaccine.

As for workplaces, I think it is morally wrong to force people to get the vaccine, no matter how much it is not against the law, if it is an educational workplace or a normal workplace where children who cannot get the vaccine yet come, or if there are many elderly people or people who are at risk. There may be circumstances where the staff has elderly people in their family or other circumstances where they want them to get the vaccine, but there are also different circumstances for those who don't want to get the vaccine, such as those who are concerned because they want to have children in the future, or those who are allergic like me. Some people have financial difficulties, or are single mothers, or would be on the street if they lost their jobs.
Many people are driven to suicide because they lose their jobs just because of the lockdown, and now they are driven by the fear of losing their jobs if they don't vaccinate.
They say they are trying to save people, but leave out the other people who are being driven into a corner by the effects of the vaccine.

I thought it was too contradictory, so I wanted to know what people in the US think about it.

We welcome other opinions.

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#36
  • まるん
  • 2021/06/05 (Sat) 08:31
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I don't even believe that the vaccine will kill you, I mean if you get it yourself. I don't know the causal relationship, but it is true that some people have died after vaccination. I agree with Mr. I don't vaccinate that it is not stupid from the point of view of the family of the person who died.
It may be true that the numbers alone are small, but the fact that there are people who actually experienced the misfortune is a fact that should not be overlooked.

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#37
  • 傍観だけでは終われなくなった3
  • 2021/06/05 (Sat) 09:16
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> It's not stupid from the perspective of the family of the person who died
I don't know if people go out of their way to pervert and criticize me for pointing out the stupidity of some bullshit gossip about "the mortality rate of vaccinating is higher than getting corona." I thought it would be a good idea, but I didn't expect you to take me up on it.

> It's only been a few months, so who knows what the future holds
Yeah, no one knows what the future holds. So, do you refute my point that "vaccination has a higher mortality rate than coronas" is obviously a fake ? Why don't we not change the subject and first criticize the act of spouting such a fake ?.

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#38
  • 傍観だけでは終われなくなった3
  • 2021/06/05 (Sat) 09:20
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> "Fauci admits coronavirus vaccine does not prevent infection"
Your first linked source is a mere copy of a media story known as Natural News, a fake news site. \모듈을 내니다 (from wiki below)
Natural News (formerly NewsTarget, which is now a separate sister site) is a far-right, anti-vaccination conspiracy theory and fake news website known for promoting alternative medicine, pseudoscience and far-right extremism.

> Dr. Fauci admits COVID-19 vaccine not safe for people
Reading from the linked text, it appears that in an interview earlier this year, Dr. Fauci stated the obvious, that because it is a new vaccine, more safety trials are needed to inoculate children, pregnant women, etc. ? ? The headline is a misleading story. It's a story aimed at leading. Yes.

I don't need to tell you that Fox News is a typical Republican propaganda organization, run by Republican officials and people from successive generations ?.

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#39
  • 傍観だけでは終われなくなった3
  • 2021/06/05 (Sat) 09:31
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> NHK, Nittele, Fuji, TBS, Teresa, and Teletext all went through this
No, no, no, the top "vaccine deaths" type search was NHK.

The point is whether the number of 85 or 85/6 million = 0.0014% should be taken as the point. More to the point, the biggest risk of serious illness is death. ? The new corona mortality rate in Japan is about 0.01%, so people are just weighing the 0.0014% mortality rate of vaccine side effects against that.

Incidentally, in the U.S., the balance is 0.18% death rate from new coronas versus 0.0017% death rate from vaccines.

(The novel corona mortality rate, as a percentage of the total population, is about 1.8% of infected persons in both the US and Japan. The U.S. vaccine mortality rate of 0.0017% is based on 4,178 deaths from 12/14/2020 to 5/3/2021, including unknown causalities reported to VAERS = a larger estimate)


> Someone actually experienced misery.
Because there is no perfect medicine, vaccine, or 100% safe surgery in the world, people usually use numbers to determine if the level is acceptable to overlook ? (We are not talking about the memory of the deceased, but at least now we are talking about the risk. You're talking about ? )

If you don't think about risk statistically, there is no more to talk about than the obvious "everything has risk", and I'm sorry, but I don't think we can talk about that at all. How you ultimately think about and judge that number itself is, of course, up to each individual.

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#42
  • さいきん
  • 2021/06/05 (Sat) 09:35
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FOX is all fake news these days because they are bought by democrat ! So all we get from the media is fake.

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#44
  • 平行線
  • 2021/06/05 (Sat) 09:39
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↑ # 36

So you are concerned about the small number of deaths from the vaccine, but you don't count the large number of deaths from coronas
How do you feel about old people who rarely leave their homes being killed by infection from family members? ?
Corona will not disappear, so you have to be prepared for such risk for the rest of your life ? You might be a murderer

> I am concerned because I want to have children in the future
> I am concerned because I want to have children in the future Some professors and experts are against corona vaccine.

Did you check the background of that university professor ? You should check once. That person is not a specialist or anything.

The virus research institutes in the U.S. and Japan say mRNA is safe, but don't believe them, believe what people who haven't done any research say.
Example : https://www.businessinsider.jp/post-230148

You, a psychic, have a bad spirit attached to you and you will not have children in the future. Buy this jar.
The feng shui appraisal says that this house is in the wrong direction, so you will have bad luck in the future. If you put this crystal at the entrance 、、、、
What you believe is at such a trivial level
In the end, the story is parallel because you believe these gossips

If you have an allergy, you have a good reason not to vaccinate. I'm sure you have a legitimate reason not to vaccinate. Prove that and tell the company and it's settled
After all, you're just complaining ?.

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#46
  • おもしれー
  • 2021/06/05 (Sat) 09:56
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Sidelines, show me the evidence that vaccines reduce the severity of the disease, and show me the source.

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#47
  • 成功者
  • 2021/06/05 (Sat) 10:03
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#42

I ain't bought it.
You're the idiot who said the US is controlled by China. ww
All talk and in the end the former president did nothing against China.

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#49
  • 傍観だけでは終われなくなった3
  • 2021/06/05 (Sat) 10:26
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The risk of infection and death from infection and from the vaccine is, for the moment, as follows.

United States:
New corona infection rate is 10.2%
New corona mortality rate is 0.18% (about 1.8% of infected people)
Vaccine mortality rate is 0.0017

Japan:
Type 1 corona infection rate is 0.59%
Type 1 corona mortality rate is about 0.01% (about 1.8% of those infected)
Vaccine mortality rate is 0.0014%

Taiwan:
Type 1 corona infection rate is 0.038 038%
The new corona mortality rate is about 0.00058% (about 1.5% of infected people)


Different countries have different infection and mortality rates by more than two orders of magnitude each, which is a clear barometer of success/failure.

And the fact that the mortality rates after infection and vaccine mortality rates are similar in different countries makes the "data falsification conspiracy theory" less plausible, and the difference in risk magnitude clear.

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#50
  • ワクチンは打ちません
  • 2021/06/05 (Sat) 10:36
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>> It's not stupid from the perspective of the family of the person who died
"The mortality rate is higher when you vaccinate than when you get coronas" and people who go out of their way to pervert and criticize me for pointing out that I was being stupid about some bullshit gossip. I wondered how it would be, but I didn't expect you to get in on it. I don't give a shit about gossip or probability if the vaccine killed you. I think it's better to be like you, believing that common sense applies to everyone and forcing everyone to share a common consciousness. It is possible that the result of listening to your opinion and vaccinating in such a way could be irreversible, so I think it is a good idea to speak out and force your own common sense on people outside of your family. You are the one who is being perverse.

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#52
  • でたでた
  • 2021/06/05 (Sat) 18:37
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# 50
> There's a chance it could be irreversible, so

what's the percentage chance ? tell me
even cold medicine could put you in the hospital.

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#53
  • あらら
  • 2021/06/05 (Sat) 21:31
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Might be good for more than just vaccines for livestock. www.
Pfft !

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#54
  • あらら
  • 2021/06/05 (Sat) 21:37
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I think it is surprising.

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#55
  • 誰かさんのこと?
  • 2021/06/06 (Sun) 08:35
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What kind of person is a "mountebank"? What kind of mindset does he/she have to "mount"? If we can understand this, we can think of ways to deal with them.

1 : Arrogant

The "mountee" tends to think that he/she is the most capable or superior person. While they have very high self-esteem, they are unable to recognize others. They look down on others and mount them.

2 : Jealous

Deep down, the "mountee" also understands that he is not really the best. However, out of jealousy, they are unable to admit it, and as a result, they try to solidify their own superiority by first showing off their own superiority to those around them.

Everyone has jealousy, but it is the characteristic of the "mountebank" person that it is so strong that it cannot be suppressed.

3 : Likes to brag

"Mounting" people often like to brag. They brag because they are competent: "My boss praised me," "My presentation passed," "I might be assigned a new project next time."

If the other person mentions during the conversation, "Oh, by the way, I'm about to get a promotion …," they will try to say something more impressive, "Well, I'm about to get a promotion …, too. He is always afraid that he has to be the best.

4 : Deterministic

The "mountebank" is inflexible. Therefore, they tend to assume things only from their own point of view.

The direction of assumption is also characterized by negative assumptions, such as "you are not good with people," "he really has no sense of style," or "that person is feeble and boring.

You always look at people from a superior perspective, which leads to a critical view.

5 : They get angry when they don't get their way

They are arrogant and inflexible "mountebank" types. These people tend to lose their temper at once when they don't get their way. They just can't tolerate the thought that they are inferior to others, so when the situation gets bad, they try to somehow show off their competence, even if it means mounting someone who is not involved. It's not nice.

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#56
  • 傍観だけでは終われなくなった3
  • 2021/06/06 (Sun) 09:31
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> #44 Sidelines Tahan user lol
Unlike you, I see no point in doing that. And every single time, every single time, you stubbornly blindly believe that I am the only one who writes opposing opinions and long sentences, you are a monkey show, morbid and really gross.

> the possibility of irreversibility
Exactly, it could go either way.

That's why I showed you exactly that probability.
In the US,
the new corona infection rate is 10.2%
the new corona mortality rate is 0.18%
(about 1.8% of those infected) the vaccine mortality rate is 0.0017%

so far, the chance of dying after infection due to non-vaccination is at least as high as the chance of dying from side effects after vaccination. The probability of dying after infection is at least two orders of magnitude greater than the probability of dying from side effects after vaccination, but when you are also protecting the act of spreading false information about vaccines, it just seems opportunistic.

> force common sense
force ? ? I simply showed you the figures released by the government. You seem to be an emotionalist who stubbornly cannot accept reality, but you are also very paranoid. As I have written many times, it is up to individuals to make their own decisions and choices. I do believe that we should not take fake news seriously and base our decisions on facts, though.

In addition, even though there is a double-digit difference in mortality rates, there are risks with either choice, and the future is unknown, so I am saying that the decision is solely one's own responsibility.

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#57

What is it with people who bring up evil spirits and feng shui and make personal attacks when all Topix is asking about their experiences with these discriminatory things happening thanks to vaccines but what about everyone else's surroundings ? lol
You persistently insist that vaccines are safe, or that people who don't vaccinate are going to be killers. You keep insisting that vaccines are safe and that people who don't vaccinate are going to kill people, and you do things that should be called "intrusive to those who vaccinate".
You think you've had the vaccine and you're not going to get infected again, so why not? Are you worried that you won't get it unless everyone else does it with you?

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#58
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  • 2021/06/06 (Sun) 09:48
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> #44 Sidelines Tahan user lol
Unlike you, I see no point in doing that. And every single time, every single time, you stubbornly blindly believe that I'm the only one who writes opposing opinions and long sentences, you're pathological and really creepy.


I see posts in other topics that are clearly him. Only others can tell if you have unique thoughts. By the way, Tahan1, I often see other people here, so it looks like there are several of you. Monkey play. LOL
I envy you that everyone hates you so much. They hate me in real life too. You just don't say so.

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#60
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  • 2021/06/06 (Sun) 11:21
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↑ A need for approval

Influence of childhood ?

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#61
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  • 2021/06/06 (Sun) 13:32
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Unvaccinated employees suspended from paying salaries Pakistan ・ Sindh

You don't even have human rights.
There are no guarantees if something goes wrong, and even if there were guarantees, it's hard to prove a link to the vaccine.

Oh no.

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#63
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  • 2021/06/07 (Mon) 09:27
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> The only one who thinks you haven't been exposed is you
It's certainly long been exposed that you live your life at the bottom of the heap as a human being, even registering as a multi-handler on a daily basis, going out of your way to change your name, and repeating your delusional personality attacks.

You are so constantly being dismissed as a bum that you can't even hear yourself, and it's obvious that you are desperate to maintain your cheap pride by looking down on your opponents from a very superior position and making them into shittier people than yourself, and you do it through the miserable loser act of multi-handed monkey business, which is even more painful.

> I'm sure that you are the ones who are being defeated, so the only thing you can do to save face is to slander me and make up a majority of "I agree with you" oysters in your one-man monkey show. I have been proven who is the loser by your childish responses, which can only be delusional personality attacks without any serious rebuttal, and there is no meaning or motive for you to bother to change your name and post.

> You seem to have a unique mind
and you really don't want to admit the fact that there are people who defend me and are on the same side, but you have a unique mind ? ? and your political philosophy is so normal that roughly 50% of the world would agree with you. I don't know what kind of special world you live in. I don't know what kind of special world you live in.

> Everyone hates me
> I often see others, so it seems there are some
I'm sure there are others who use many hans and hate me. But you could say that for sure because you've seen those posts, except for yours. ? That's exactly the same thing. Even if you guys blindly assume that a post that is not me is me, I know that it is 100% not me, let alone the other people who have mistaken me for you. Since that's all that's happened so far, it means that quite a few people already know that you guys are painfully delusional.

> approval-seeking
That's exactly what you are, repeating the horribly cold act of multi-handed one-man monkey business.

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#64
  • そっくりそのまま
  • 2021/06/07 (Mon) 09:40
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> Even if you guys assume and blindly believe that a post that is not me is me, I know that it is 100% not me, let alone the other people who have been mistaken for me.


No matter how delusional you are, there is always more than one rebuttal. I also know for a fact that I have to log in every single time I post because I changed my name. Thanks again for your long winded post that no one reads this early in the morning today.

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#65
  • 猿芝居
  • 2021/06/07 (Mon) 09:45
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You're the one responding.

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#66
  • お山の大将
  • 2021/06/07 (Mon) 09:47
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On the sidelines, repeating your delusion that you feel like you've won the argument. You must be so withdrawn in your daily life that you can only feel superior here. It's true that you seem to have grown tired of sitting on the sidelines and writing nothing but the same posts, and no one is taking you seriously these days. The pandemic is dying down, so I guess you no longer have time to hang out with the freaks here. I hope you make friends soon. Well, people like you will be alone for the rest of your life.

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#67
  • ワイドなショー
  • 2021/06/07 (Mon) 11:54
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How about a world where the person who says the right thing wins ?



The world says diversity diversity, but people who say the right thing take diversity away from society

The more creative people cannot think, the more they cling to the general The more people who cannot think creatively, the more they cling to the world's prevailing orthodoxy. Book-smarts who can only think in black and white, who cannot be convinced, who cannot think diversely, are cleverly repeating verbal arguments in the Internet society and depriving diversity. Good argument is a rule made by man for fools.


There you are again lol

righteous argument mania

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#70
  • ご苦労様
  • 2021/06/07 (Mon) 17:05
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The stunt is a one-track mind. LOL.

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#70
  • 猿芝居
  • 2021/06/07 (Mon) 17:08
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↑ Tahan

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#72
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  • 2021/06/07 (Mon) 18:45
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↑ Tahan

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#73
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  • 2021/06/07 (Mon) 19:36
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↑ you too
tahan's monkey business is you

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#75
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  • 2021/06/09 (Wed) 02:04
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I cannot get the Corona vaccine because I have severe allergies. According to my doctor, the Corona vaccine actually contains an ingredient that can cause shock and death. For those of us who are treated with vaccines for allergies, the Corona vaccine is a pretty scary vaccine. 

I work for the government, so I actually have to come to the office to work, but those of us who have been vaccinated against Corona are anxious to work with those who have not, and those who have not do not want to be forced to be vaccinated, so since I am not in customer service, I am permanently remote The decision was made to work. I guess the state of California can't enforce vaccination, so Tobi's company can only say work remotely for non-vaccinated people.

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#76
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  • 2021/06/09 (Wed) 02:04
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I cannot get the Corona vaccine because I have severe allergies. According to my doctor, the Corona vaccine actually contains an ingredient that can cause shock and death. For those of us who are treated with vaccines for allergies, the Corona vaccine is a pretty scary vaccine. 

I work for the government, so I actually have to come to the office to work, but those of us who have been vaccinated against Corona are anxious to work with those who have not, and those who have not do not want to be forced to be vaccinated, so since I am not in customer service, I am permanently remote The decision was made to work. I guess the state of California can't enforce vaccination, so Tobi's company can only say work remotely for non-vaccinated people.

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#77

The numbers shown by the bystander are only for the present time, right? Vaccines may have an effect after a few years ( so originally they do clinical trials over a number of years ), so I don't think the numbers at the moment are helpful at all.
The numbers that are said to be 90% effective, etc., are also not numbers that came out after years of clinical trials. They are figures based on instant clinical trials, and I don't trust them much either. Also, you say that if I am allergic to something, I should just tell my boss, but I already told him that. As others have said, please don't make assumptions about people's situations and then be sarcastic.

By the way, what does everyone mean by "tahan" ??

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#78
  • まるん
  • 2021/06/09 (Wed) 06:14
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Thanks again everyone for all your input.
The Pakistan thing is terrible. Was there some other country that didn't help non-vaccinated people during natural disasters ?

Mr. Allergy

Thank you for sharing your experience with us. I am glad that your doctor was very understanding. I hope it is not too stressful for you and your allergies that you have become permanently remote.

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#79
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  • 2021/06/09 (Wed) 07:50
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I heard that Geert Vanden Bossche(Geert ・ Vanden ・ Posche(Posch)》, who was a senior director of vaccine development under Bill Gates, is against the corona vaccine only. He is properly interviewed face to face.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNyAovuUxro&t=635s

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#80
  • スパイクタンパク質
  • 2021/06/09 (Wed) 07:54
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The problem seems to be this spike protein

which means that both the corona-infected and vaccinated people are in trouble

I've got a corona infection

and it's all over now

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#81
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  • 2021/06/09 (Wed) 08:50
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> The numbers at this point in time are not helpful at all
You're right that no one knows what the future holds, but it's an indisputable fact that the odds of dying from infection at this point in time are two orders of magnitude greater than the odds of dying from the vaccine. Moreover, the fact that about 1.8% of people who get infected will die probably has nothing to do with the passage of time, unless a new treatment method is found in the future." To say "not helpful at all" just sounds like subjective emotionalism, and I would feel it more appropriate to say "this is the only data that can be used as a reference at this point in time".

> the numbers that are said to be 90% effective, etc.
This refers to the infection protection rate. I think the way to come up with the numbers was on the drug company's website, but I think it is based on a comparison test with a fake drug, and not the type of thing you are talking about over time. I guess time will have an effect on the appearance of mutants ? to what extent. But in the end, it is a possibility and a threat that will continue forever, and there will be completely new viruses, and I feel that if we start talking about that, the day will never come when we can say that we are safe/secure.

> You say if you're allergic, just tell your boss
No, that was someone else's statement. I told them that both employees and business owners have the freedom to do what they want, and if they don't like it, they can just quit.

> "Tahan"
I meant people who use numerous handles. Have you written under any other name before ??

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#82

> "Tahan"
is someone who uses numerous handles. Have you written under any other name before ?

That's what you mean by "Tahan". Thank you for telling me.

With this sentence, I have come to the conclusion that I should not believe everything Mr. Bystander says.
You are so paranoid that it scares me.
Who else would bother to write under other names besides you ? We all don't have that much time.
From now on, I will not read any of your posts. It's too much of a waste of my time.

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#83
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  • 2021/06/09 (Wed) 09:21
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> Who else would bother to write under other names besides you ?
Yes ? ? I've only used one name since the beginning. For more than a decade. And it's too much to ask that you don't know that there are a mountain of multi-handed monkey-boys here.

> You are so paranoid it's scary
I was simply asking you a question. Since you didn't seem to know the meaning of the word, is it unintentionally applicable ? or just about right? But that's a great reaction. I'm not a busy, multihandler, and you're being extremely rude. You are no different from the rest of the multi-handler monkey-boys who hate me. You are the one who is paranoid.

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#84
  • まあまあ
  • 2021/06/09 (Wed) 16:34
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I don't fight ♡

through is best ♡

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#87
  • スパイクタンパク質
  • 2021/06/09 (Wed) 22:44
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Then good

no corona aftereffects so far

and it was mild.

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#88

I heard from an acquaintance yesterday that her son, a 15 year old baseball player who is in excellent health, was taken to the ER because he became incontinent + and fainted immediately after receiving the vaccine. It doesn't seem to have made the news, so I'm sure there are other cases of side effects like this that aren't reported.


Well, well, well
Thanks for the pacification.

I am glad you agree with me.


Spike Protein
I'm sorry you had the corona. I am glad to hear that you have no aftereffects.

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